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Dave Armstrong and the Visible Church, part 1

Posted by Cory Tucholski on January 16, 2008

Dave Armstrong has a rather fascinating article on whether or not the church should be a visible or invisible entity. I thought I’d take a look at it as an exercise in putting Bible verses in proper context.

Most Protestants (especially evangelicals) see unity and oneness subsisting primarily or solely in the inner, invisible, spiritual unity of those who are in fact in Christ by virtue of being justified, or born again, or regenerated (with or without baptism, depending on denomination). For them, the church consists of the Spirit-filled, predestined elect, who will persevere and are saved, now and in eternity.

But Catholics see it differently, according to Dave Armstrong:

The Catholic Church has always proclaimed this unifying characteristic also, under the broad and rich concept of the Mystical Church (under which it acknowledges Protestantism), yet it doesn’t pit the Mystical Church against the institutional, or visible Church, as most evangelicals do. For Catholics, then, the issue of oneness is substantially related to organizational and practical aspects of ecclesiology. Catholics believe that the Church is both organism and organization, not merely the former. The Mystical and visible “churches” are like two circles which largely intersect, but which are not synonymous. They exist together - somewhat paradoxically and with tension - until the “end of the age.”

First of all, let’s look at this from a biblical perspective. The church has clearly been organized in the Bible with the offices of elder (Titus 1:5-6), bishop (1 Tim 3:1-7; Titus 1:7-9), and deacon (1 Tim 3:8-13). Nowhere does the Bible say that we are governed by a specific bishop of a specific city.

Dave continues:

At this point in the discussion Catholics appeal to the hierarchical, or episcopal (that is, under the jurisdiction of bishops) nature of Church government. Furthermore, Catholics maintain that this form is divinely-instituted and biblical, therefore not optional or of secondary theological importance.

Dave is already off base in claiming that the Catholic Church is “divinely instituted” and “biblical”. It isn’t organized as prescribed in Scripture. It has no elders, only a single monarch–the Pope.

Now Dave appeals to Matthew 5:14-16 as evidence that this church is to be visible. Let’s look at those verses really quickly, in their proper context. Jesus is talking to a group of people gathered for His famous Sermon on the Mount. He’s not talking to the church, He’s not talking to the apostles themselves. So these verses are not talking about the church.

The Sermon itself was all about the Law, and how the Law is impossible to follow. So a better fit for these verses is that they are talking about obedience to God. Why hide it? As St. Francis of Assisi said, “Preach the Gospel at all times and when necessary use words.” Let people see what it means to be a Christian first, says Christ in these verses.

Looks like Dave took those verses out of context to make his point.

Protestants often cite Jesus’ analogy of sheep and shepherd (John 10:1-16; cf. 2 Timothy 2:19, 1 John 2:19), who know each other (10:14), as evidence that the Church consists of the elect only. Yet the analogy breaks down when we find that Scripture also applies the term sheep to the unsaved reprobate (Psalm 74:1), the straying (Psalm 119:176), Israel as a nation (Ezekiel 34:2-3,13,23,30), and, indeed, all men (Isaiah 53:6).

When I say that I’m stuck “between a rock and a hard place,” I’m using a metaphor to convey something that would otherwise be difficult to put into words. This is the same thing that Christ is doing. The Bible also fairly consistently uses the Rock as God. Since Dave’s examples all came from different books of the Bible, that must mean that metaphors are universal everywhere and always, right? That means that when I say I’m stuck between “a rock and a hard place,” that I’m talking about God, right?

No, of course not. It means what it means, just as those metaphors from other books in wholly different contexts mean what they mean. This argument is an insult to the literary device of metaphor.

Other passages which presuppose a visible, identifiable, “concrete” Church include Matthew 18:15-17, in which believers are exhorted by our Lord to take errant and obstinate brothers to the church, which will then determine the appropriate verdict. It would be contrary to the tenor of the New Testament if this were a reference to a local church alone - even apart from the utterly impractical consequences of such a scenario (where the sinner would simply attend another denomination and move on with his life, as is tragically all too often the case today).

Here, Dave and I are actually in agreement.  It is a sad state of affairs when someone just goes to another church because he doesn’t like what his current church has to say about his sin.  But the Bible still isn’t supporting his case here, since the writers didn’t foresee the ability to hop from one McChurch to the next just because a person didn’t like what the current church said about some issue.  In those days, there was one church per town, and that was how they evidently thought it would stay.

But even then they had competing theologies; most of the New Testament is about correcting errors taught by heretics.  Back then they had people who read the Scriptures daily and knew theology much better than the average person today.  The average person today thinks that you have to be a good person to get to heaven and that Jesus is only one path of many!

No, people today aren’t schooled in the basics of theology.  That is the problem, not some imagined church authority, or lack thereof.

And St. Paul, in 1 Timothy 3:15, describes the “church of the living God” as “the pillar and bulwark of the truth.” This statement is similarly almost nonsensical in the context of competing and often contradictory denominations. Where would a sincere, uninformed, unsophisticated religious seeker go to find this certain truth? Only within the sphere of a serious attempt at actual visible oneness of doctrine can this verse attain any pragmatic possibility.

And elsewhere, Paul seemed to encourage differences in doctrine (Rom 14:1-12), but concludes “. . . whatever does not proceed from faith is sin” (Rom 14:23b)–which merely reinforces the fact that it is faith that is the cornerstone here, not the church or denomination that one belongs to.

I will answer the material from the One Minute Apologist tomorrow.

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Tom Cruise’s Scientology Speech

Posted by Cory Tucholski on January 16, 2008

If it wasn’t for the fact that Scientology flies directly in the face of everything I believe as a Christian, I might endorse Tom’s overall message.  He’s touching on a lot of the issues that I’ve been covering–atheist misconceptions about how Christians think that the world works.  Look at Ephesians 2:8-10:

For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them. (emphasis added)

We are saved, and truly in Christ, only by God’s grace.  That grace is a free gift, and not based on works.  If it were based on works, then grace is no longer free.  Instead, we are saved by His grace through our faith in Christ (see Rom 10:9) plus nothing.

What about the works that I’ve highlighted?  Simple: look at 1 John 5:1-3:

Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.

We obey out of love, not out of necessity.  Obeying out of necessity is a curse to us–”Cursed be anyone who does not confirm the words of this law by doing them” (Deut 27:26).  Studying all 613 (or so) laws of the Old Testament, I think that we can agree that it is impossible to do all of them.  We’re going to mess up somewhere.  And guess what happens if you mess up only once:

For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it. For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. (Jms 2:10-11)

But the point is we need to obey God.  The idea is to do this out of love, not out of some perceived need to become saved.  The Bible is quite clear that it is impossible to follow all of these 613 laws and live (see Jn 6 with the idea that bread = law).

Cruise has done a great job underscoring the necessity to help our fellow man for his Scientologist followers.  Perhaps Christians should heed his words also: let’s do more to help our fellow man.  Let’s do that, however, out of love and not out of the insane notion that it will get us in God’s good graces.  We who are Christians are already in His good graces by His gift to us; our works cannot add anything to that salvation.  But they can make the world a better place and that is the real point of doing them.  We’re going to be here for a long time, and our children are going to live here after us.  Let’s turn a better world over to them than what we started with.

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Steve Ray and Baptism

Posted by Cory Tucholski on January 16, 2008

Steve Ray has an interesting post about being born of water and the Spirit (Jn 3:5).  He lists nine places in the Bible where water and the Spirit represent new birth, and then concludes:

Too bad many Evangelicals and Fundamentalists refuse to see it but the Bible is pretty clear about new birth through the sacrament of baptism. Jesus is not ambiguous in this matter and he is alluding quite clearly to new beginnings in the Old Testament. The Early Church is also very clear and so is the teaching of the Catholic Church today.

We’re assuming that the seven Catholic sacraments are Biblical.  While the link provides an excellent argument against these seven sacraments, I should note that I believe very strongly in baptism, and I believe that it was commanded by our Lord Jesus that we should receive it.  I don’t believe that it is necessary for salvation–for that is by grace through faith.  Baptism is a clear command–it is one of the ways that we demonstrate our love for Him (Jn 14:15; 1 Jn 5:3), not a way He confers grace on us.

I agree with Steve Ray’s premise but cannot support his conclusion.  It would be interesting to track down the context of the Augustine quote to see if Ray is using it correctly.

Now don’t get me wrong–I’m not trying to downgrade the importance of baptism.  I just don’t agree that it is any more necessary than any other work for salvation.  Salvation is by grace through faith (Eph 2:8-10).  The works we walk in are prepared by God for us to do; they are not the linchpin that saves us.  This includes baptism.  Walking in God’s commands shows our love for Him to the world–a witness without words.  Those who are in Him should be willing to do whatever He commands, and this includes being baptized.

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