Posted by Cory Tucholski on October 16, 2007
This portion is easy to answer:
But let’s say he doesn’t. Let’s say this Christian is merely speculating based upon what he knows of Jesus’ life. And, as a Christian, let’s say you think he’s wrong. Why is his opinion “beyond offensive”? It seems like it has some reasonable historical data to back it up. And even if you do, in fact, believe God really hates homosexuality, is it that hard to believe that Jesus might not agree with every single opinion of his Father? Maybe they differed on this particular issue. Maybe they didn’t, and Jesus took just as hard a line on this as God allegedly did. But this statement by a Christian isn’t completely without merit. (source)
Well, Jesus and His Father not being in complete agreement. That sentiment betrays Jeff’s misunderstanding of what the Trinity actually is. Each Person–Father, Son, and Spirit–is an individual person with all of the faculties of a person. But each is of the same substance: God.
I’ve covered elsewhere that each Person of the Trinity has a unique ministry, and the idea that each is present with the others during the execution of these ministries actually strengthens the notion of each Person’s individuality rather than diminishing it. Jesus, as if proving Jeff’s point that He has a different will than His Father, prayed on the night of His execution, “Father, if you are willing, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, not my will, but yours, be done” (Lk 22:42).
Jesus is nothing if not consistent. It is pointless to argue whether or not He had different opinions than His Father. He consistently argued, and prayed for, His Father’s will–not His own–to be done. Jesus’ own opinion is moot in this case. Jesus would have wanted whatever His Father would have wanted.
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Posted by Cory Tucholski on October 16, 2007
Continuing this series, let’s examine more of Jeff Haws’s errors regarding homosexuality and the church.
How do we know everything Jesus said? Everything we know about Jesus indicates he was accepting of a lot of people who most people didn’t accept. All the historical accounts we have show Jesus to have been a man who was drawn to outcasts, at least partly because he was a sort of outcast himself. It seems entirely within Jesus’ character to have said homosexuality was OK. And I’ve said Maybe this Christian knows something you don’t. (source)
The short answer is that we don’t know everything that Jesus said (Jn 21:25). But Jesus consistently upheld the Bible, and even told us to observe the law (Mat 23:1-3; cf. Mat 5:18; 1 Jn 5:3, 2 Jn 6). So for this premise to be valid, Jesus would have had to have said something that didn’t fit with the Bible that no one recorded. As much as the scribes and the Pharisees hated Christ, if He had ever said something that contradicted the Scriptures, these guys would have had a field day. They would have written it down, they would have told every one of Jesus’ disciples. In short, the scribes and the Pharisees would have formed any single contradiction in Jesus’ teachings into a cornerstone of their case against Him. They never did that, so I think it is reasonable to conclude that He said no such thing.
Homosexuality is against the Law of God (Lev 18:22, 20:13). Jesus said that He has not come to destroy the Law, but to fulfill the Law (5:17-20). Therefore, it is impossible to conclude that Christ would have done anything except condemn homosexuality.
That said, I agree with Jeff in spirit. I believe that Christ would have consorted with homosexuals, with the added caveat that He would call them to repentance. He would have ministered to them, but He would have–by the grace of God–forgiven their sins and told them to sin no more, as He did with others.
As the apostle Paul put it, we are now a new creation in Christ (2 Cor 5:17). We, saved by the grace of God, should not continue to sin so that grace may abound–we are dead to sin, so we should not live in it (Rom 6:1-2).
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Posted by Cory Tucholski on October 16, 2007
This is the best picture I have of my wife, my daughter, and I:

I love this picture.
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