Personality Cult Apologetics
It seems to me that Roman Catholic apologists build around a certain motif that I like to call personality cult apologetics. The most obvious example is this article from Jimmy Akin, which at the time of writing has 796 comments. Most of these comments are just people writing one or two lines of agreement with Akin’s post and a few “atta-boy” comments from the usual cast of JA.O regulars. For Jimmy’s sake, I hope that TypePad manages comments better than WordPress, because I couldn’t even begin to imagine trying to sort through 796 new comments with the way WordPress handles them.
All of the comments were centered around James White and the graphics he posted with a humorous intent. The comments served to prove Dr. White’s point that charity is severely lacking from that bank of the Tiber, however we on this side are expected to maintain this charity at all costs.
This issue is near and dear to my own heart right now because I’m the target of Dave Armstrong’s personality cult for my comment that Dave is misrepresenting what the “Vicar of Christ” title implies for the Pope. My favorite, from Jordan Potter:
On which bank of the Tiber will I remain? The one that represents truth and doesn’t have to resort to name-calling and dishonesty . . .
Wonderful news! See you at the next Easter Vigil!
I read that twice yesterday and I didn’t get it. I just got it when I re-read it today. That’s actually funny. I am so slow on the uptake sometimes.
Now here is where I have to give Dave some credit. I got targeted by a hit-and-run guy not so very long ago who didn’t bother to read everything I wrote on a particular topic and started to go on and on to convince me of a point that I not only accepted, but articulated in a previous post. Dave has read this post, and his commenters are (rightfully) all over it:
And my record remains unbroken. I have never– and I don’t mean almost never or 99.999% never and one or two exceptions–heard a former Catholic correctly articulate Catholic teaching. (Scott W.)
Then:
Oh, he’s a former Catholic turned anti-Catholic fundamentalist? No wonder he doesn’t accurately represent the content of the Catholic faith. (Jordan Potter again)
But my personal favorite in this set:
I forgot that I used to worship Diana and Isis. Whew! What a long strange trip it’s been! Pretty soon we’ll have all of the rest of the trillions of female-deity-worhippers in our ranks and then, watch out! (Mike Burgess)
Now I have a sense of humor. And I can also admit when I’m wrong, and most of all, I can admit why I was wrong. The statement to which they refer is not something I’ve ever (or would ever) teach if I were lucky enough to become an apologetics instructor. I don’t even believe that I made such a glaring error, but there it is in print, so I said it. I will own up to it, and I admit that I was wrong in making that statement.
I am ashamed of the reason why I made the statement: It was targeted at a specific person, whom I now regard as a false teacher, to impress upon her that I was on the “right side.” Her opinion of the right side and my opinion of the right side, I now realize, are very different. Incompatible, actually.
The person to whom I am referring will undoubtedly recognize herself if she still reads my blog, however I am confident that she has already guessed what I’m revealing. I am shying away from using names or providing links because a very dear friend of mine almost wholly subscribes to this woman’s teaching. I have no desire to alienate him again, which is why I have never said anything about this.
I, still relatively new to apologetics, wrote that post specifically because this false teacher accused me of being one primarily in light of this post where I express interest in reading Pope Benedict XVI’s Jesus of Nazareth. As this false teacher is very anti-Catholic, that post caused her great concern and so I wrote the very lame-brained post to calm her mind.
I stand behind the fact that there are saved people within the Catholic Church because of their faith in the sacrifice of the cross, not because of what the Church teaches. In other words, they are saved in spite of what the Church teaches, not because of what the Church teaches. The statement about Mary equating to goddess worship is not true, it never was, and I should never have expressed the sentiment. It isn’t what I believe, and I have done the gospel a great disservice by voicing it. And worse, I did it to advance a relationship with a false teacher.
I do not still communicate with her. I spoke with her about my belief that salvation can occur within the Catholic Church, that regardless of whatever apostasy may be in it that God can and still does use it as a vehicle for salvation of His elect. I pointed to my own grandparents as an example. She expressed discontent with the notion that anyone could be saved within the Church, and that was the last time we spoke.
I’m fine with that.
But now that I’ve admitted to my mistake, I would like to return briefly to the idea of personality cult apologetics. I seem to see much of it in the Roman Catholic apologetics circles. It’s obvious with Jimmy Akin. Less so, but still present, at Dave Armstrong’s blog. I don’t think that Robert Sungenis has it anymore after putting out the book that argues that earth is the center of the solar system. Gerry Matatics had to postpone his 300 city tour, so I don’t think that he has a personality cult. I’m not so sure about Scott Hahn.
This personality cult apologetics takes the shape of the apologist making his claims on his blog, and then his commenters descend on the post and leave 40, 50, or 60 comments, most of which are just “atta-boy” comments or e-nods ™ of agreement. This is unfortunately similar to what I see done on atheist discussion boards, such as the Rational Response Squad. The mentality is certainly the same: the Rational Response Squad has won every debate they’ve ever been in. Just ask them, and they’ll tell you it is so. It’s the same thing with this crowd, except I haven’t seen anyone Catholics say “Ha, ha, you got pwned!” yet.
Maybe they’re waiting for the Pope to infallibly define a pronunciation for “pwned.”
Anyway, I digress. I suppose that it is good that I don’t have a personality cult following me, or else I would have to start a campaign for better comment-handling in WordPress. Because I assure you, if I ever wrote something that garnered 796 comments, I wouldn’t even be able to read half of them.
I suppose the bigger picture is, Do I want a personality cult? Of course, I’ve always wanted to lead a cult. It would be fun to be the unquestionable leader of a group of people. I’d try to outdo King Solomon on wives and concubines. Forget a tithe: I’d have people pay all of their life savings.
But now, I’m more than happy to let God be the center. I’m periphery. Soli Deo Gloria!









I’m curious: at what point do comboxes cease to be simply expressed opinions of those making them, and turn into a “personality” cult? By what criteria would this be determined? Say, if two people happen to say “great post, Dave. I agree 100%” it is a mere discussion, but if three say so, now it is a personality cult? Please do tell.
I get relatively few comments on my blog. You’ll note that the highest numbers (by far) occur in the Open Forum: precisely where I hardly participate at all, most of the time. Entire huge discussions occur there without my slightest participation. That’s a “personality cult”??!!
I’ve never pursued such a thing; I care less than nothing about it. I don’t think it is there on my blog. In fact, I am often scolded by my own readers when they think I go overboard in protesting against some anti-Catholic personal attack.
I do thank you for your retraction of the odd remark. I can’t say that I understand your reasoning, but that is secondary. That’s now two apologies and retractions from anti-Catholics in two days. I think I shall faint from the sheer shock and novelty of it.
I wrote on my blog, about this post:
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He has actually retracted the remark above (good for him), but claims that I have a “personality cult” going on on my blog.
I don’t think so . . . that ain’t me, and it ain’t my readers. I think it is a gross distortion of both myself and my goals here and the general nature of the comments and those who make them. It ain’t about me; it’s about the Catholic Faith.
[sorry, all you English teachers, for the three "ain't's"
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I know that full well and I think my readers and commenters here know it too.
See my new article replying to this post, on my blog, near the top.