Conversations with an Agnostic
Posted by Cory Tucholski on December 22, 2006
I work with an agnostic, though one with a surprisingly open mind. Though I have no idea if I can win his heart for God, I know that I must continue to try. The problem is that he is very learned, and a very smart agnostic. One of his hobbies is to read Scripture–not just the Bible, but also the Qur’an. He always has fascinating insights on both texts.
One interesting question that he asked me was if I believed in the gods of the ancient Egyptians. Of course I don’t. So then he asked me who allowed the sorcerers of ancient Egypt to duplicate the staff changing into a serpent or turning the waters of the Nile into blood. His contention is that God would never have allowed that, since His purpose was to free the Israelites.
His real intention with that question was to back me into a corner where I had to admit that the deities of Egypt were real, and thus were the supernatural agents behind the counterfeit miracles.
The beauty of the God I serve is that He does not share His power or glory with any other deities, and in His word, the Bible, He offers the answers to almost every objection that cannot be answered with simple common sense. Is it possible that God was, indeed, the supernatural agent behind both the sorcerers and Moses?
I propose that that is very possible. God said “. . . I will harden Pharaoh’s heart, and though I multiply my signs and wonders in the land of Egypt, Pharaoh will not listen to you” (Ex 7:3-4). The hardening of a person’s heart by God does not occur against that person’s free will decision. Consider:
The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. [2 The 2:9-12, emphasis added]
Could this be an example of the powerful delusion that God will send those who do not believe the truth? In that case, it is perfectly acceptable to reason that God was the supernatural agent behind both the sorcerers and Moses.
Or, one could just as easily reason that Satan was the supernatural cause of the sorcerers’ “false signs and wonders,” since the Thessalonians passage clearly states that Satan is the driving force behind the deception it speaks of. Perhaps it was Satan who converted the staffs to serpents in the first place, but it was God who created in Pharaoh the delusion that Moses and Aaron were two-bit magicians, thus beginning the process of hardening Pharaoh’s heart (as promised).
There are, indeed, a multitude of ways to look at this without once considering that the deities of ancient Egypt ever played a role. The way I see it, however, is that there was nothing supernatural about what Pharaoh’s magicians did. Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown discuss in their commentary on Exodus here that snake charmers of ancient Egypt had a way of pressing on the nape of a snake’s neck that would cause the reptile a type of catalepsy. The staffs that they were carrying, then, were snakes all along. All they had to do was cast them to the ground and release the snakes from their imposed rigidity and let the snakes do the rest.
To the untrained observer, it would appear as though the staffs had miraculously become snakes.
However, remember that Aaron’s serpent ate the magicians’ serpents (Ex 7:12). This was a clear sign of the superiority of God over whatever was the source of power for the counterfeit sign: be it Satan or illusory sleight-of-hand.
DISCLAIMER: At the time of writing, I am unable to confirm the claim made in Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown’s commentary as the source is not cited. Independent assertions of the same nature cite that commentary. Nothing in any snake charming article I have consulted has provided evidence of the nape-of-the-neck trick.
Assuming that the aforementioned trick is not a trick at all, and illusory sleight-of-hand is not the true cause of the counterfeit sign, I could accept Satan as the cause. However, the text gives no indication of Satan as the cause. The text specifies that the magicians used their own tricks to duplicate the sign. That is why I reasoned that illusory sleight-of-hand was the cause.
I will continue to research this to see if I can find independent evidence of the nape-of-the-neck trick.









December 23, 2006 at 6:04 am
Is it possible that god is behind EVERYTHING? I like to think so - it’s like a God security blanket that keeps me warm wherever I am… a Linus blanket if you watched the peanuts…? yes?
god bless… Jerry (italktogod.wordpress.com)
March 1, 2007 at 5:12 pm
Satan is only one of many spirit beings (aka angels, demons), though he seems to be especially powerful and intelligent and the leader of the rebel, evil spirits or demons (Rev. 12, Dan. 8). In the bible, we read where demons possessed or inhabited, at least for a time, the bodies of both people, and animals (eg. herd of swine, Mark 5). However, being spirit beings, they do not need to inhabit a body in order to be present (in other words, they could be invisibly present). I believe that the (false) gods of other religions or belief systems can, in fact, be demons. My point is that the gods of Egypt could have been real, and powerful, and could have been responsible for the magicians ‘miracles’ (though I think there is room to believe and argue it may have been sleight of hand or delusion as well). And, of course, demons are nothing like and nowhere near as powerful as the true God, nor do believers need to fear them.
I don’t know if this will be redundant or helpful or what, but felt prompted to respond.
You know, maybe one of the primary reasons you’re in the job you are (though it might not seem like much fun sometimes) is to talk to this agnostic individual. He certainly seems to fit the definition of a ’seeker’. Who knows what eternal impact you may be having. And I have no doubt that you are.